cliff is just a minor blip with you in the long run they actually won a large chunk of what they've been after? >> we're going to have to see what is the impact in the the days ahead. can the republicans somehow turn that around? they certainly, inside the white house believe just the opposite because they believe that john boehner was sort of out maneuvered here, he had been pressing the president, pressing the president for some of his issues and what boehner may have forgotten is at the end of the day if there's no action by the congress, all of the bush tax rates are expiring, so the president is going to get what he's wanted in this debate all along, which is that taxes are going up on the rich and-- >> the president's outmaneuvered the republicans from the very beginning on this. >> ed doesn't have to answer that question. >> and kimberly, we're going to give you the last question, before we go to mike emanuel. >> i have a civilized question for mr. henry. >> and civilized-- >> my goodness, bob. >> it sounds worse than the negotiations on the hill. >> it's worse, thank goodnes